Everything comes back to ads. I think the end goal is to monetize every single moment of our lives in some way.
8 hours ago [-]
klodolph 8 hours ago [-]
We know that microphone use on iPhone requires an entitlement and if an app is actively using audio in the background, an indicator appears on the screen. This has been true for ages.
I assume Android has something similar to this but I’m not in touch with the Android ecosystem. This article is pretty old so I can believe that apps, far enough in the past, could do this. But it is otherwise some fearmongering you would see copy-pasted among tech illiterate.
izacus 7 hours ago [-]
It's the same on Android for a few versions now (including the mic indicator), so yeah.
TekMol 9 hours ago [-]
When an app gathers information on someone - for example via the microphone - how does it assign the data to a person?
Say the person says "I will buy a new car next week". Now what? How will the ad agency bombard the person with car ads? I mean outside of the one app that has gathered the information?
bix6 9 hours ago [-]
They have various fingerprints including email logins and device ids. So then Google says tekmolAtGmail likes cars and lines up the perfect advertiser for you!
TekMol 8 hours ago [-]
How would the email end up in the ad system? Isn't it just a library the app developer includes and that runs in the background? Does it interact with the user and ask for their email?
And fingerprinting? Even if the fingerprint is unique - now what? They still could only target the user while the user is using apps that are complicit in this advertising scheme, right?
bix6 1 hours ago [-]
I am not an expert in these systems but it seems some have tremendous ability to link disparate data. At the simplest they have things like device IDs and emails from logged in users that make it easy; many users don’t or can’t opt out of the baseline tracking. If you do well now you’re special so they have to use other fingerprinting techniques. You can try and obfuscate which might change your ad package but they still know everything about you.
I think your belief that they can only target while using the app is naive. They can sell the data to aggregators for more sophisticated use.
xnx 7 hours ago [-]
Most(?) apps require a login now, so they have the users email address.
PhilipRoman 8 hours ago [-]
Not an expert but I'd assume they keep track of the public IP of the device. When a site has bought this information and receives a request, they can record the link between person and account, so this needs to happen only once. On top of that you've got additional fingerprinting techniques to improve the accuracy.
3np 3 hours ago [-]
"Asking for a friend"?
jokoon 6 hours ago [-]
That's probably why I need to charge my phone so often.
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Stop writing like that.
For decades, this prompted the consumer to say, Why would I care about advertisers showing me ads that are more relevant to me?
And so consumers didn't care about privacy.
Not realizing that that's not the entirety of what the surveillance will eventually be used for.
Hopefully everyone isn't about to learn, the hard way, one of the worst case scenarios.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16119981
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https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
I assume Android has something similar to this but I’m not in touch with the Android ecosystem. This article is pretty old so I can believe that apps, far enough in the past, could do this. But it is otherwise some fearmongering you would see copy-pasted among tech illiterate.
Say the person says "I will buy a new car next week". Now what? How will the ad agency bombard the person with car ads? I mean outside of the one app that has gathered the information?
And fingerprinting? Even if the fingerprint is unique - now what? They still could only target the user while the user is using apps that are complicit in this advertising scheme, right?
I think your belief that they can only target while using the app is naive. They can sell the data to aggregators for more sophisticated use.